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SAVE THIS DATE: OCT. 8, 2016 JEREMY SCAHILL: Oscar-nominated documentary filmmaker "Dirty Wars"

Jeremy Scahill will be the keynote speaker at Between The Lines/Squeaky Wheel Productions' 25th anniversary event on Saturday, Oct. 8 in New Haven, Connecticut. He'll address ongoing U.S. wars, drone warfare and other foreign policy issues facing the U.S. during this presidential election campaign and long after.

Scahill is an award-winning investigative journalist with the Nation magazine, correspondent for Democracy Now! and author of the bestselling book, "Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army," about America's outsourcing of its military.

In an exclusive interview with Between The Lines' producer Scott Harris on Sept. 16, 2013, Scahill talks about his latest book, "Dirty Wars, The World is a Battlefield," also made into a documentary film under the same title, and was nominated Dec. 5, 2013 for an Academy Award in the Best Documentary Feature category. He is one of three founding editors at the Intercept, along with Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras, and has a new book titled, "The Assassination Complex: Inside the Government's Secret Drone Warfare Program" written with the staff of the Intercept. Listen to Scahill's exclusive interview (30:33) on Scott Harris' Sept. 16, 2013 episode of Counterpoint (

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Between The Lines' 25th Anniversary

Help Between The Lines in 2016, our 25th anniversary year, with a secure online donation through Network For Good via our 501(c)(3) nonprofit distributor, Squeaky Wheel Productions.


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Between The Lines Presentation at the Left Forum 2016

"How Do We Build A Mass Movement to Reverse Runaway Inequality?" with Les Leopold, author of "Runaway Inequality: An Activist's Guide to Economic Justice," Sunday, May 22, 2016 from 10 a.m.- to 12:15 p.m., Room 8.61, John Jay College of Criminal Justice, The City University of New York, 860 11th Ave. (Between 58th and 59th), New York City. Between The Lines' Scott Harris and Richard Hill moderated this workshop. Listen to the audio/slideshows and more from this workshop.

Can Bernie recreate the Rainbow Coalition?

Kevin Alexander Gray, civil rights and labor organizer, author and commentator, questions Bernie Sanders' ability to mobilize minority support given his early missteps and failure to build bridges to marginalized communities before launching his campaign. Gray also assesses the state of the Black Lives Matter movement and speculates on its prospects for broadening its agenda to include the full spectrum of progressive. (MP3 audio, 54:14) Please note: Raw audio, static between 3:50-5:55.

How sustainable is the recent wave of positive change?

Robert Borosage, director of Campaign for America's Future ( addresses the question: Do the recent waves of positive events represent a sea change that will continue to gather momentum? Or are they an anomaly that will be blown away in a blast of right-wing outrage? Interview conducted by Richard Hill. (MP3 audio, 28:49)

Only Activism Can Challenge America's Rigged System to Reverse Inequality and Restore Democracy

Interview with Hedrick Smith, Pulitzer Prize-winning former foreign correspondent, editor and Washington Bureau chief for The New York Times (MP3 audio, 21:47)

Hedrick Smith talks about how we can restore democracy, reduce inequality and rebuild the power of the people. He is also author of many books, his latest titled, "Who Stole the American Dream?"

Between The Lines' Coverage of Ralph Nader's Convocation of the American Museum of Tort Reform in Winsted, CT Sept. 26, 2015

Convcation speeches (MP3 audio - 2.5 hours)

Patti Smith's People Have the Power (QuickTime movie-download only (raw video)

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Between The Lines' Coverage of the 2015 Left Forum

Between The Lines Radio Newsmagazine held a Left Forum panel discussion:

"Successes and Challenges of Human Rights Campaigns for Publicly Financed Health Care in the U.S." on May 30, 2015

Newly added video of the health care panel

Listen to audio of the plenary sessions from the three-day weekend.

"The TPP: Capitalism on Steroids,"

MP3Economics professor Richard Wolff compares socialist and capitalist economic models, presents a new paradigm for socialist transition and debunks mainstream pundits' consignment of socialism to the "ash heap of history." He then deconstructs the argument for so-called "free trade" and analyzes the threats to working people everywhere and what is left of the American middle class by the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP). Interview with Between The Lines' Richard Hill on May 5, 2015.

"More Lies. More War? The Truth Behind the Iran Nuclear Scare,"

MP3Gareth Porter, award-winning investigative journalist, deconstructs the web of half-truths and outright deceptions that have tainted the debate over negotiating a peaceful resolution to the Iran nuclear issue. Interview with Between The Lines' Richard Hill, on April 7, 2015.

"Mentor, Friend and Supporter Danny Schechter Will Be Missed"

Reflections on the extraordinary life of activist, author, news analyst, documentary filmmaker and Between The Lines' friend Danny Schechter, "The News Dissector," who died on Thursday, March 19, 2015

"A Conversation with Edward Snowden, Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras on Her Documentary Film, 'CITIZEN FOUR'"

Edward Snowden via video link from Moscow joined Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras discussing Poitras' new Academy Award-nominated documentary film, "Citizen Four," at a TimesTalk event Feb. 12, 2015. Listen to an audio recording of the entire one-hour event.

"TECHNO-UTOPIANISM and the Fate of the Earth"

Selected Between The Lines Radio Newsmagazine audio recordings from: The International Forum on Globalization's conference, Oct. 25, 2014, Cooper Union, New York City

"UNSTOPPABLE": Ralph Nader talk, interview July 26, 2014

Listen to Ralph Nader's 75 min. talk and interview about his new book, "Unstoppable: The Emerging Left-Right Alliance to Dismantle the Corporate State" at Barnes and Noble, Milford, Connecticut. Nader makes a compelling case for left-right alliances on majoritarian issues that progressives and conservatives agree on, acknowledging that individuals feel all too often that they are powerless against the big power structure. He notes that issues such as school prayer, reproductive rights and gun control are issues that the power structure depends on to keep the majority divided. The minimum wage, breaking up the big banks, Pentagon audits, health care, campaign finance reform, corporate tax inversions, Net Neutrality, fracking and GMOs are just a few examples of left-right issues discussed with the audience. He says just a fraction of the left and right – working together – can make a huge "unstoppable" political realignment in passing legislation, despite the "ick factor" of working with those whose other views they don't always agree with.

Listen to Ralph Nader's short interview on current events with Scott Harris before the booksigning.

Between The Lines Radio Newsmagazine was at the Left Forum, May 30 - June 1, 2014, John Jay College of Criminal Justice, City University of New York

Audio recordings from the Left Forum here.

PETE SEEGER (1919-2014): "Folk Music's Granddad Plays It Green"

Read a partial interview transcript with Pete Seeger conducted by Between The Lines' Scott Harris on June 5, 1994 and published in E: The Environmental Magazine in December 1994

Listen to the entire 30-minute interview here.

JEREMY SCAHILL: Oscar-nominated documentary filmmaker "Dirty Wars"

Listen to the full interview (30:33) with Jeremy Scahill, an award-winning investigative journalist with the Nation Magazine, correspondent for Democracy Now! and author of the bestselling book, "Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army," about America's outsourcing of its military. In an exclusive interview with Counterpoint's Scott Harris on Sept. 16, 2013, Scahill talks about his latest book, "Dirty Wars, The World is a Battlefield," also made into a documentary film under the same title, and was nominated Dec. 5, 2013 for an Academy Award in the Best Documentary Feature category.

NOAM CHOMSKY: Obama Threat Against Syria Based on Maintaining U.S. 'Credibility'

Between The Lines Radio Newsmagazine at the Left Forum, June 7-9, Pace University, New York City

Between The Lines' Left Forum audio coverage (more forthcoming):

Bill McKibben, environmental activist and founder of talks about the next steps in the climate change campaign

An address by Bill McKibben, founder of the grassroots climate campaign, upon receiving the annual Gandhi Peace Award from the New Haven-based group Promoting Enduring Peace on April 18 in Hamden, CT

Bill McKibben, Schumann Distinguished Scholar at Middlebury College and author of a dozen books about the environment, beginning with "The End of Nature" in 1989, which is regarded as the first book for a general audience on climate change. The group he founded,, has coordinated 15,000 rallies in 189 countries since 2009. The Boston Globe said in 2010 that he was "probably the country’s most important environmentalist."

Alexis Tsipras, leader of Greece's Left Party Coalition, on "Anti-Austerity Politics in Greece, Europe and Beyond"

A talk recorded on Jan. 25, 2013 at The City University of New York, in a program sponsored by CUNY's Center for the Study of Culture, Technology, and Work.

Alexis Tsipras, a member of the Hellenic parliament, president of the Synaspismos political party since 2008, head of the SYRIZA parliamentary group since 2009, and leader of the Opposition since June 2012. SYRIZA currently leads in Greek opinion polls. Listen to the audio here.

Listen to Scott Harris Live on WPKN Radio

Between The Lines' Executive Producer Scott Harris hosts a live, weekly talk show, Counterpoint, from which some of Between The Lines' interviews are excerpted. Listen every Monday evening from 8 to 10 p.m. EDT at (Follows the 5-7 minute White Rose Calendar.)

Counterpoint in its entirety is archived after midnight ET Monday nights, and is available for at least a year following broadcast in WPKN Radio's Archives.

You can also listen to full unedited interview segments from Counterpoint, which are generally available some time the day following broadcast.

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Between The Lines Blog  BTL Blog

"Mentor, Friend and Supporter Danny Schechter Will Be Missed" by Scott Harris, March 27, 2015

"A Travesty of Reporting," by Reginald Johnson, March 22, 2015

"GOP senators defend CIA cannibalism program," by Samuel Schmaltz, Dec. 13, 2014

"Demanding Justice for Michael Brown," by Reginald Johnson, Nov. 25, 2014

"Shut Down a Cold War Relic," by Reginald Johnson, Oct. 7, 2014

"U.S. breaking the law? Who cares?" by Reginald Johnson, Sept. 2, 2014

"Warsaw Ghetto 1943 and Occupied Gaza 2014: No Valid Comparison, but Several Haunting Parallels," by Scott Harris, July 31, 2014

"Drifting Towards War?" by Reginald Johnson, May 23, 2014

"Media on Ukraine: What Happened to Journalism?" by Reginald Johnson, May 2, 2014

"Dismantling the Corporate State," by Reginald Johnson, April 8, 2014

"Talking Tough on Russia," by Reginald Johnson, March 20, 2014

"Those Lying Russians," by Reginald Johnson, March 6, 2014

Special Programming Special Programming

MP3: Glenn Greenwald delivers a keynote address at "A Conference in Defense of Civil Liberties and to End Indefinite Detention" at Central Connecticut State University in New Britain on Dec. 8, 2012.

Glenn Greenwald is a columnist on civil liberties and US national security issues for the Guardian newspaper. He's a former constitutional lawyer, and until 2012 was a contributing writer at Greenwald is the author of "With Liberty and Justice For Some: How the Law Is Used to Destroy Equality and Protect the Powerful."

Read his column at The Guardian (UK)
Between The Lines' executive producer Scott Harris conducted an interview with Glenn Greenwald at the conference.

Noam Chomsky is linguistics and philosophy professor emeritus at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Author of nearly 100 books, Chomsky is one of the world's most widely read progressive dissident intellectuals. He talks about his new book, "Occupy," about the Occupy Wall Street movement and the wider issues of class warfare in the America today.
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MP3: Nathan Schneider ( has been reporting on the OWS movement from its first days in August, 2011. In this April 3, 2012 interview, Richard Hill asks him to assess the on-going debate in the movement between those espousing a strict adherence to non-violence principles and practices and those advocating a 'diversity of tactics', Interview conducted by Richard Hill, WPKN

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Corporate CEOs Advocating Austerity Policies Receive Millions in Taxpayer-Subsidized Stock Options

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Posted May 8, 2013

Interview with Sarah Anderson, Institute for Policy Studies' Global Economy project director, conducted by Scott Harris. Transcript provided by Evan Bieder.


Since late in 2012, a group known as Fix the Debt Campaign, led by private equity billionaire Pete Peterson, has advocated for deep cuts in the federal budget while protecting tax breaks for corporations and the rich. Among the targets of the $60 million campaign, are Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. While the objectives of the corporate-backed campaign have not yet succeeded, the group has exerted influence on the national debate where Congressional budget negotiations are focused on the Republican and conservative austerity agenda of slashing popular social safety net programs.

Now a new report titled, "‘Fix the Debt’ CEOs Enjoy Taxpayer-Subsidized Pay,” just released by the Institute for Policy Studies and the Campaign for America's Future, finds that Fix The Debt CEOs are pocketing massive taxpayer subsidies at the same time they're advocating deep cut in government programs that benefit ordinary citizens.

The report details how during the three-year period 2009 to 2011, the 90 publicly held corporate members of “Fix the Debt” paid their top CEOs $6.3 billion, of which taxpayers footed the bill through subsidies for $953 million to as much as $1.6 billion of these compensation packages. Between The Lines’ Scott Harris spoke with the report’s co-author Sarah Anderson, IPS Global Economy project director. Here Anderson explains why she believes Fix the Debt’s members' conduct in taking massive taxpayer subsidies, should undercut the credibility of their campaign calling for deep budget cuts that demand sacrifice from average Americans.

SARAH ANDERSON: Well, I should probably first explain what Fix the Debt is. So, this is this corporate lobby group that came together last fall to try to influence the whole debate around the so-called fiscal cliff. And we took notice of them right away and saw that they needed a lot of scrutiny because they're a very heavily funded group. They said their initial budget was $60 million; they've recruited big name CEOs from large U.S. companies and they project an image of patriotism and shared sacrifice; they're just really in this budget debate because they want to act responsibly and make sure our nation's economy is safe and sound. But when you look at the details of what they're actually promoting, it's disturbing. They're pushing for cuts to Social Security and Medicare, and when you look at their tax proposals, they're all about getting more tax breaks for large corporations like the ones they run.

We've done a series of studies scrutinizing Fix the Debt, who they are and what they're calling for. This latest one looks at their executive pay practices and points out that ordinary taxpayers are actually subsidizing CEO pay at big companies like the ones that are leading the Fix the Debt campaign. And that's because companies can deduct an unlimited amount from their income taxes for executive pay as long as it's performance based. So all of the stock options, and performance bonuses and stock that are shoveled into the pockets of these big CEOs are fully deductible, creating this perverse incentive. What it means is that the more these corporations pay their CEOs, the lower their tax burden. And that just contributes to our national debt.

BETWEEN THE LINES: Sarah, give us the overall picture of how these large corporations that are part of the Fix the Debt coalition wanting to suffocate a lot of other government programs, use tax loopholes and a lot of high-priced accountants to prevent the government from taxing CEO pay.

SARAH ANDERSON: Yes. So under the U.S. tax code, you're only supposed to be able to deduct from corporate income taxes a million dollars per executive for executive pay. Beyond that, it's considered not a reasonable business expense. The problem is there's this huge loophole so that you can deduct unlimited amounts as long as the pay is performance-based. And so, when they made that tax reform, it opened the door for massive payouts of stock options and performance bonuses, anything they could call "performance-based" then was fully deductible. And it's really part of the reason why we've seen this explosion of CEO pay in the past couple of decades.

The people in Fix the Debt are probably no worse at taking advantage of this loophole than many other big Fortune 500 companies, but let me just give a couple of examples. The guy who got the most in performance pay that was fully deductible in the period we were looking at was the CEO of UnitedHealth group. They're the biggest HMO in the country and their CEO, Stephen Hemsley took in about $194 million in performance pay in the years 2009-2011. And that works out to be about a $68 million tax break for UnitedHealth Group and that is just for one individual CEO's pay.

It is outrageous particularly because these guys are out there telling the rest of us that we need to "tighten our belts," we really need to "cut back" on earned benefit programs like Social Security and Medicare programs that many people rely on very heavily. And yet, they haven't taken a look at the many ways that the corporations that they're running have been contributing to the deficit by taking advantage of these outrageous loopholes. If they were really serious about dealing with the deficit, they would be looking for these loopholes to be closed.

BETWEEN THE LINES: As you look at fixing this loophole, what kinds of congressional action would be necessary to prevent these companies from having taxpayers subsidize what many would label as obscene CEO pay by some of these major corporations?

SARAH ANDERSON: Well, it’s a very simple fix. As I mentioned, there is a cap on the deductibility of payments that companies make for executive compensation. It’s set at $1 million, except there’s this huge loophole for performance pay. If we got rid of that loophole, that would at least be one step towards ensuring that ordinary taxpayers are not subsidizing this runaway CEO pay. Congresswoman Barbara Lee has a bill on the House side that’s even better than that. It would lower the cap to $500,000 and do away with the performance pay loophole. That’s one reform that I think is just a total no-brainer. You’d get much bigger numbers in terms of increased corporate revenues if you went after some of the other loopholes like the ones that have been encouraging the use of tax havens. There you’re talking about really mind-boggling amounts of money; I think something like $100 billion a year, every year. That’s another big front in the corporate tax reform that should be getting a lot more attention.

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