SPECIAL REPORT: "Parkland Student Activists Sofie Whitney and Ryan Deitsch Speak at Yale Campus"

Parkland student activists Sofie Whitney and Ryan Deitsch visit Yale campus to speak about community organizing around the broader issue of a "culture of violence". Interview with Richard Hill, WPKN Radio producer (6:12) April 24, 2018

SPECIAL REPORT: "MIT Students' 'Day of Action': Understanding and Resisting Attacks on Immigrants"

Three-part excerpts from Avi Chomsky's presentations at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Day of Action on April 17. Includes a historical perspective as well as a question and answer session with immigrants. Recorded and produced by Chuck Rosina, long-time public affairs and news producer at WMBR FM, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's radio station in Cambridge, Massachusetts. April 17, 2018

SPECIAL REPORT: "MIT Students' 'Day of Action' Takes On Today's Political, Economic Challenges"

Chuck Rosina's report on the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Day of Action on April 17, where members of the MIT and broader local community were given an opportunity to devote the day to engaging with the political, economic, environmental and social challenges facing us today, through learning, discussion, reflection and planning for action. Includes comments from Avi Chomsky, daughter of the renowned professor Noam Chomsky (12:58) April 17, 2018

SPECIAL REPORT: "Response to chemical attack in Syria – The priority must be the people"

The Resistance Roundtable panel discusses the U.S. missile strikes on Damascus and interviews Stan Heller from Promoting Enduring Peace ( the situation in Syria and the broader Middle East. Panel: Ruthanne Baumgartner, Scott Harris and Richard Hill. April 14, 2018

SPECIAL REPORT: "What's next for the youth movement against gun violence?"

Tyler Suarez, lead organizer of the March for Our Lives demo in Hartford, CT on March 24, assesses the event attended by 10,000 and discusses the agenda for the youth movement going forward. Interviewed by Richard Hill.

SPECIAL REPORT: "March for Our Lives - Hartford, Connecticut" March 24, 2018

Selected speeches from the March for Our Lives in Hartford, Connecticut, recorded and produced by Scott Harris

Panel Discussion: Privatization v. Public Good and the Upcoming March for Our Lives on March 24

SPECIAL REPORT: Organized Labor: Resurgent or On the Ropes?

SPECIAL REPORT: Neoliberalism Comes Home: Connecticut's Water Under Privatization Threat

SPECIAL REPORT: Can There Be Food Justice Under Capitalism?

SPECIAL REPORT: Resistance Round Table – Feb. 10, 2018

Award-winning Investigative Journalist Robert Parry (1949-2018)

Award-winning investigative journalist and founder/editor of, Robert Parry has passed away. His ground-breaking work uncovering Reagan-era dirty wars in Central America and many other illegal and immoral policies conducted by successive administrations and U.S. intelligence agencies, stands as an inspiration to all in journalists working in the public interest.

Robert had been a regular guest on our Between The Lines and Counterpoint radio shows -- and many other progressive outlets across the U.S. over four decades.

His penetrating analysis of U.S. foreign policy and international conflicts will be sorely missed, and not easily replaced. His son Nat Parry writes a tribute to his father: Robert Parry’s Legacy and the Future of Consortiumnews.

Thank you for donating

If you've made a donation and wish to receive thank you gifts for your donation, be sure to send us your mailing address via our Contact form.

See our thank you gifts for your donation.

The Resistance Starts Now!

Between The Lines' coverage and resource compilation of the Resistance Movement

SPECIAL REPORT: "The Resistance - Women's March 2018 - Hartford, Connecticut" Jan. 20, 2018

Selected speeches from the Women's March in Hartford, Connecticut 2018, recorded and produced by Scott Harris

SPECIAL REPORT: "No Fracking Waste in CT!" Jan. 14, 2018

SPECIAL REPORT: "Resistance Round Table: The Unraveling Continues..." Jan. 13, 2018

SPECIAL REPORT: "Capitalism to the ash heap?" Richard Wolff, Jan. 2, 2018

SPECIAL REPORT: Maryn McKenna, author of "Big Chicken", Dec. 7, 2017

SPECIAL REPORT: Nina Turner's address, Working Families Party Awards Banquet, Dec. 14, 2017

SPECIAL REPORT: Mic Check, Dec. 12, 2017

SPECIAL REPORT: Resistance Roundtable, Dec. 9, 2017

SPECIAL REPORT: On Tyranny - one year later, Nov. 28, 2017

SPECIAL REPORT: Mic Check, Nov. 12, 2017

SPECIAL REPORT: Resistance Roundtable, Nov. 11, 2017

SPECIAL REPORT: Rainy Day Radio, Nov. 7, 2017

SPECIAL REPORT: Rainy Day Radio, Nov. 7, 2017

SPECIAL REPORT: Resisting U.S. JeJu Island military base in South Korea, Oct. 24, 2017

SPECIAL REPORT: John Allen, Out in New Haven

2017 Gandhi Peace Awards

Promoting Enduring Peace presented its Gandhi Peace Award jointly to renowned consumer advocate Ralph Nader and BDS founder Omar Barghouti on April 23, 2017.

Subscribe to our Weekly Summary & receive our FREE Resist Trump window cling

resist (Car window cling)

Email us with your mailing address at to receive our "Resist Trump/Resist Hate" car window cling!


who helped make our 25th anniversary with Jeremy Scahill a success!

For those who missed the event, or were there and really wanted to fully absorb its import, here it is in video

Jeremy Scahill keynote speech, part 1 from PROUDEYEMEDIA on Vimeo.

Jeremy Scahill keynote speech, part 2 from PROUDEYEMEDIA on Vimeo.

Between The Lines on Stitcher


Between The Lines Presentation at the Left Forum 2016

"How Do We Build A Mass Movement to Reverse Runaway Inequality?" with Les Leopold, author of "Runaway Inequality: An Activist's Guide to Economic Justice,"May 22, 2016, John Jay College of Criminal Justice, The City University of New York, 860 11th Ave. (Between 58th and 59th), New York City. Between The Lines' Scott Harris and Richard Hill moderated this workshop. Listen to the audio/slideshows and more from this workshop.

Listen to audio of the plenary sessions from the weekend.

JEREMY SCAHILL: Oscar-nominated documentary filmmaker "Dirty Wars"

Listen to the full interview (30:33) with Jeremy Scahill, an award-winning investigative journalist with the Nation Magazine, correspondent for Democracy Now! and author of the bestselling book, "Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army," about America's outsourcing of its military. In an exclusive interview with Counterpoint's Scott Harris on Sept. 16, 2013, Scahill talks about his latest book, "Dirty Wars, The World is a Battlefield," also made into a documentary film under the same title, and was nominated Dec. 5, 2013 for an Academy Award in the Best Documentary Feature category.

Listen to Scott Harris Live on WPKN Radio

Between The Lines' Executive Producer Scott Harris hosts a live, weekly talk show, Counterpoint, from which some of Between The Lines' interviews are excerpted. Listen every Monday evening from 8 to 10 p.m. EDT at (Follows the 5-7 minute White Rose Calendar.)

Counterpoint in its entirety is archived after midnight ET Monday nights, and is available for at least a year following broadcast in WPKN Radio's Archives.

You can also listen to full unedited interview segments from Counterpoint, which are generally available some time the day following broadcast.

Subscribe to Counterpoint bulletins via our subscriptions page.

Between The Lines Blog  BTL Blog

"The Rogue World Order: Connecting the Dots Between Trump, Flynn, Bannon, Spencer, Dugin Putin," by Anna Manzo (GlobalHealing), Daily Kos, Feb. 13, 2017

"Widespread Resistance Begins to Trump's Muslim Travel Ban at U.S. Airports," by Anna Manzo (GlobalHealing), Daily Kos, Jan. 28, 2017

"MSNBC Editor: Women's March is a Revival of the Progressive Movement," by Anna Manzo (GlobalHealing), Daily Kos, Jan. 24, 2017

"Cornering Trump," by Reginald Johnson, Jan. 19, 2017

"Free Leonard Peltier," by Reginald Johnson, Jan. 6, 2016

"For Natives, a "Day of Mourning"by Reginald Johnson, November 23, 2016

"A Bitter Harvest" by Reginald Johnson, Nov. 15, 2016

Special Programming Special Programming

[an error occurred while processing this directive]

Between The Lines Progressive Resources

A compilation of activist and news sites with a progressive point of view

Share this content:


Podcasts Subscribe to BTL

Podcasts:  direct  or  via iTunes

Subscribe to Program Summaries, Interview Transcripts or Counterpoint via email or RSS feed

If you have other questions regarding subscriptions, feeds or podcasts/mp3s go to our Audio Help page.

Between The Lines Blog

Stay connected to BTL

RSS feed  twitter  facebook

donate  Learn how to support our efforts!

Stanford University Study Ignores Key Reasons Why People Buy Organic Foods

Real Audio  RealAudio MP3  MP3

Posted Sept. 12, 2012

Interview with Bill Duesing, president, Connecticut chapter of the Northeast Organic Farming Association, conducted by Melinda Tuhus


A Sept. 4 headline in the New York Times read "Stanford Scientists Cast Doubt on Advantages of Organic Meat and Produce." The study cited was a meta-analysis of 40 years of research on organic and conventionally produced produce, that is, produce sprayed with pesticides. The study concluded that organic food was no more nutritious than non-organic. The research didn’t focus on questions of sustainability or even of flavor, though many people who responded to the article stated these issues were paramount in their decision to pay a premium price to buy organic food.

While the Stanford study, conducted by the University’s Center for Health Policy concluded that organic fruits and vegetables on average had no more nutritional value than their conventionally grown counterparts, the research found that organic produce retained fewer traces of pesticides and meat was less contaminated by antibiotic-resistant bacteria.

Between The Lines’ Melinda Tuhus spoke with Bill Duesing, president of the Connecticut chapter of NOFA, the Northeast Organic Farming Association. He's also president of the NOFA Interstate Council, representing all New England states – Connecticut, Vermont, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Vermont, as well as New York and New Jersey. He discusses the reasons people farm organically and shop for organic food, as well as the forces opposing an upcoming California referendum that would mandate the labeling of genetically modified foods.

BILL DUESING: Nutrition isn't the main reason that most people eat organic food; it's not the main reason farmers want to grow organic food. There are a whole lot of other reasons. But it did find clearly that there are fewer pesticides and also fewer antibiotic-resistant bacteria in organic foods. So there were two very good things and one thing that wasn't a whole lot different. Organic is a holistic practice and we do it because of the way we care for the earth; it's working with nature instead of fighting nature. I don't think there was any reasonable conclusion but obviously some people took it and ran with it. The industrial food system is very worried about all the interest in local, organic and sustainable because the industrial food system is not that. It's not organic, it's very dangerous for the planet, and it's certainly unsustainable. But there is this incredible effort on their part, through things like the Farmers and Ranchers Alliance, through the work of the Farm Bureau, through the work of the people who are fighting the labeling of GMOs in California. If you look at that list, you see who's on the other side of that food right – Monsanto and Dupont and Coca-Cola and General Mills and PepsiCo. You know, there's an industrial food system and an ecological food system, and the industrial food system wants to work against nature and as much as possible pooh-pooh any interest in local or organic, and they keep trumping up these studies and then giving them lots of publicity to try to discourage people from thinking about the food in a way that's healthier for them and healthier for our planet.

BETWEEN THE LINES: The meta-analysis also didn't evaluate any taste differences between organic and conventionally grown food, which must be hard to test for, but a lot of people who commented on the study have indicated they prefer the taste of organic foods.

BILL DUESING: They eat organic because they don't want to eat pesticides, which was shown on this study to be the case, and they eat organic because it tastes good, because maybe it makes them feel good about their relationship with the farmer and the farmworkers who aren't being doused with chemicals in order to produce what's nutritious for us.

BETWEEN THE LINES: Several state legislatures have tried unsuccessfully to require labeling of foods containing GMOs. Now California has put the issue on the ballot this November. What does it call for exactly?

BILL DUESING: As I understand it, it would require foods that contain ingredients that have been produced by genetic engineering to be labeled. And I think, unless it's been changed and I doubt that it has, it doesn't say anything about meat – animals and what they eat. Most animals in this country eat genetically modified grain. The jury's still out, I think, about whether that's beneficial to the animals or whether that has any effect on us.

BETWEEN THE LINES: So, to be certified organic, food can't contain any GMOs, right?

BILL DUESING: Yes, yes. Organic – now that's the one way you can avoid genetically modified organisms, is by buying organic food.

BETWEEN THE LINES: I read a book recently by Stewart Brand, who produced the Whole Earth Catalogue. It's called Whole Earth Discipline, and he sort of takes on nuclear power and GMOs and a lot of things that were sort of gospel on the left, where he used to be, and does his best to debunk them all. And I thought the piece on GMOs was the strongest case he made, that there's a lot of advantages to genetically modified crops, you know, higher production, weed control. How bad to you think GMOs are?

BILL DUESING: Oh, I think they're awful. I'm not saying that they never could have a place in our food system, but as they are now they're designed to do one of two things. One is to resist massive dosage of RoundUp to control the weeds, and that system isn't working. Nature doesn't stand still; if you spray weeds with the same herbicide year after year after year, the weeds become resistant or the resistant weeds begin to thrive. And so, that's what's happened. There's a lot of problems with super-weeds where they've used these RoundUp-ready crops. It's been said that RoundUp is a relatively benign herbicide and it's better to use it once – which is what they thought might happen – than to use these other, more toxic herbicides. What's happening, the RoundUp's not working now, so they're developing corn and probably soy beans that are resistant to more toxic herbicides, including 2-4-D, which was part of Agent Orange. In terms of what it does to the soil, the way it ties up minerals, it has encouraged various exotic viruses and diseases to come into the corn crop, because of the way it doesn't make the minerals available; it changes the soil ecosystem. So we need to learn to work with nature, and nature works by creating biodiversity, storing organic matter.

BETWEEN THE LINES: I learned recently that one of the advantages of Roundup made it so you didn't have to plow the ground, which made it a lot easier to keep the soil in place. I know you think that no-till farming is really important, so ...

BILL DUESING: There are ways to do it organically. The Rodale farm, they have a five-year rotation which involves only one tillage operation and one application of compost in all of five years. And their results show their organic methods produce higher yields, about three times the profit, fewer greenhouse gases and use less energy.

Find more information on Connecticut Chapter of NOFA at and the Northeast Organic Farming Association at

Related Links: