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Between The Lines Presentation at the Left Forum 2016

"How Do We Build A Mass Movement to Reverse Runaway Inequality?" with Les Leopold, author of "Runaway Inequality: An Activist's Guide to Economic Justice," Sunday, May 22, 2016 from 10 a.m.- to 12:15 p.m., Room 8.61, John Jay College of Criminal Justice, The City University of New York, 860 11th Ave. (Between 58th and 59th), New York City. Between The Lines' Scott Harris and Richard Hill moderated this workshop. Listen to the audio/slideshows and more from this workshop.

Can Bernie recreate the Rainbow Coalition?

Kevin Alexander Gray, civil rights and labor organizer, author and commentator, questions Bernie Sanders' ability to mobilize minority support given his early missteps and failure to build bridges to marginalized communities before launching his campaign. Gray also assesses the state of the Black Lives Matter movement and speculates on its prospects for broadening its agenda to include the full spectrum of progressive. (MP3 audio, 54:14) Please note: Raw audio, static between 3:50-5:55.

How sustainable is the recent wave of positive change?

Robert Borosage, director of Campaign for America's Future ( addresses the question: Do the recent waves of positive events represent a sea change that will continue to gather momentum? Or are they an anomaly that will be blown away in a blast of right-wing outrage? Interview conducted by Richard Hill. (MP3 audio, 28:49)

Only Activism Can Challenge America's Rigged System to Reverse Inequality and Restore Democracy

Interview with Hedrick Smith, Pulitzer Prize-winning former foreign correspondent, editor and Washington Bureau chief for The New York Times (MP3 audio, 21:47)

Hedrick Smith talks about how we can restore democracy, reduce inequality and rebuild the power of the people. He is also author of many books, his latest titled, "Who Stole the American Dream?"

Between The Lines' Coverage of Ralph Nader's Convocation of the American Museum of Tort Reform in Winsted, CT Sept. 26, 2015

Convcation speeches (MP3 audio - 2.5 hours)

Patti Smith's People Have the Power (QuickTime movie-download only (raw video)

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Between The Lines' Coverage of the 2015 Left Forum

Between The Lines Radio Newsmagazine held a Left Forum panel discussion:

"Successes and Challenges of Human Rights Campaigns for Publicly Financed Health Care in the U.S." on May 30, 2015

Newly added video of the health care panel

Listen to audio of the plenary sessions from the three-day weekend.

"The TPP: Capitalism on Steroids,"

MP3Economics professor Richard Wolff compares socialist and capitalist economic models, presents a new paradigm for socialist transition and debunks mainstream pundits' consignment of socialism to the "ash heap of history." He then deconstructs the argument for so-called "free trade" and analyzes the threats to working people everywhere and what is left of the American middle class by the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP). Interview with Between The Lines' Richard Hill on May 5, 2015.

"More Lies. More War? The Truth Behind the Iran Nuclear Scare,"

MP3Gareth Porter, award-winning investigative journalist, deconstructs the web of half-truths and outright deceptions that have tainted the debate over negotiating a peaceful resolution to the Iran nuclear issue. Interview with Between The Lines' Richard Hill, on April 7, 2015.

"Mentor, Friend and Supporter Danny Schechter Will Be Missed"

Reflections on the extraordinary life of activist, author, news analyst, documentary filmmaker and Between The Lines' friend Danny Schechter, "The News Dissector," who died on Thursday, March 19, 2015

"A Conversation with Edward Snowden, Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras on Her Documentary Film, 'CITIZEN FOUR'"

Edward Snowden via video link from Moscow joined Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras discussing Poitras' new Academy Award-nominated documentary film, "Citizen Four," at a TimesTalk event Feb. 12, 2015. Listen to an audio recording of the entire one-hour event.

"TECHNO-UTOPIANISM and the Fate of the Earth"

Selected Between The Lines Radio Newsmagazine audio recordings from: The International Forum on Globalization's conference, Oct. 25, 2014, Cooper Union, New York City

"UNSTOPPABLE": Ralph Nader talk, interview July 26, 2014

Listen to Ralph Nader's 75 min. talk and interview about his new book, "Unstoppable: The Emerging Left-Right Alliance to Dismantle the Corporate State" at Barnes and Noble, Milford, Connecticut. Nader makes a compelling case for left-right alliances on majoritarian issues that progressives and conservatives agree on, acknowledging that individuals feel all too often that they are powerless against the big power structure. He notes that issues such as school prayer, reproductive rights and gun control are issues that the power structure depends on to keep the majority divided. The minimum wage, breaking up the big banks, Pentagon audits, health care, campaign finance reform, corporate tax inversions, Net Neutrality, fracking and GMOs are just a few examples of left-right issues discussed with the audience. He says just a fraction of the left and right – working together – can make a huge "unstoppable" political realignment in passing legislation, despite the "ick factor" of working with those whose other views they don't always agree with.

Listen to Ralph Nader's short interview on current events with Scott Harris before the booksigning.

Between The Lines Radio Newsmagazine was at the Left Forum, May 30 - June 1, 2014, John Jay College of Criminal Justice, City University of New York

Audio recordings from the Left Forum here.

PETE SEEGER (1919-2014): "Folk Music's Granddad Plays It Green"

Read a partial interview transcript with Pete Seeger conducted by Between The Lines' Scott Harris on June 5, 1994 and published in E: The Environmental Magazine in December 1994

Listen to the entire 30-minute interview here.

JEREMY SCAHILL: Oscar-nominated documentary filmmaker "Dirty Wars"

Listen to the full interview (30:33) with Jeremy Scahill, an award-winning investigative journalist with the Nation Magazine, correspondent for Democracy Now! and author of the bestselling book, "Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army," about America's outsourcing of its military. In an exclusive interview with Counterpoint's Scott Harris on Sept. 16, 2013, Scahill talks about his latest book, "Dirty Wars, The World is a Battlefield," also made into a documentary film under the same title, and was nominated Dec. 5, 2013 for an Academy Award in the Best Documentary Feature category.

NOAM CHOMSKY: Obama Threat Against Syria Based on Maintaining U.S. 'Credibility'

Between The Lines Radio Newsmagazine at the Left Forum, June 7-9, Pace University, New York City

Between The Lines' Left Forum audio coverage (more forthcoming):

Bill McKibben, environmental activist and founder of talks about the next steps in the climate change campaign

An address by Bill McKibben, founder of the grassroots climate campaign, upon receiving the annual Gandhi Peace Award from the New Haven-based group Promoting Enduring Peace on April 18 in Hamden, CT

Bill McKibben, Schumann Distinguished Scholar at Middlebury College and author of a dozen books about the environment, beginning with "The End of Nature" in 1989, which is regarded as the first book for a general audience on climate change. The group he founded,, has coordinated 15,000 rallies in 189 countries since 2009. The Boston Globe said in 2010 that he was "probably the country’s most important environmentalist."

Alexis Tsipras, leader of Greece's Left Party Coalition, on "Anti-Austerity Politics in Greece, Europe and Beyond"

A talk recorded on Jan. 25, 2013 at The City University of New York, in a program sponsored by CUNY's Center for the Study of Culture, Technology, and Work.

Alexis Tsipras, a member of the Hellenic parliament, president of the Synaspismos political party since 2008, head of the SYRIZA parliamentary group since 2009, and leader of the Opposition since June 2012. SYRIZA currently leads in Greek opinion polls. Listen to the audio here.

Listen to Scott Harris Live on WPKN Radio

Between The Lines' Executive Producer Scott Harris hosts a live, weekly talk show, Counterpoint, from which some of Between The Lines' interviews are excerpted. Listen every Monday evening from 8 to 10 p.m. EDT at (Follows the 5-7 minute White Rose Calendar.)

Counterpoint in its entirety is archived after midnight ET Monday nights, and is available for at least a year following broadcast in WPKN Radio's Archives.

You can also listen to full unedited interview segments from Counterpoint, which are generally available some time the day following broadcast.

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Between The Lines Blog  BTL Blog

"Mentor, Friend and Supporter Danny Schechter Will Be Missed" by Scott Harris, March 27, 2015

"A Travesty of Reporting," by Reginald Johnson, March 22, 2015

"GOP senators defend CIA cannibalism program," by Samuel Schmaltz, Dec. 13, 2014

"Demanding Justice for Michael Brown," by Reginald Johnson, Nov. 25, 2014

"Shut Down a Cold War Relic," by Reginald Johnson, Oct. 7, 2014

"U.S. breaking the law? Who cares?" by Reginald Johnson, Sept. 2, 2014

"Warsaw Ghetto 1943 and Occupied Gaza 2014: No Valid Comparison, but Several Haunting Parallels," by Scott Harris, July 31, 2014

"Drifting Towards War?" by Reginald Johnson, May 23, 2014

"Media on Ukraine: What Happened to Journalism?" by Reginald Johnson, May 2, 2014

"Dismantling the Corporate State," by Reginald Johnson, April 8, 2014

"Talking Tough on Russia," by Reginald Johnson, March 20, 2014

"Those Lying Russians," by Reginald Johnson, March 6, 2014

Special Programming Special Programming

MP3: Glenn Greenwald delivers a keynote address at "A Conference in Defense of Civil Liberties and to End Indefinite Detention" at Central Connecticut State University in New Britain on Dec. 8, 2012.

Glenn Greenwald is a columnist on civil liberties and US national security issues for the Guardian newspaper. He's a former constitutional lawyer, and until 2012 was a contributing writer at Greenwald is the author of "With Liberty and Justice For Some: How the Law Is Used to Destroy Equality and Protect the Powerful."

Read his column at The Guardian (UK)
Between The Lines' executive producer Scott Harris conducted an interview with Glenn Greenwald at the conference.

Noam Chomsky is linguistics and philosophy professor emeritus at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Author of nearly 100 books, Chomsky is one of the world's most widely read progressive dissident intellectuals. He talks about his new book, "Occupy," about the Occupy Wall Street movement and the wider issues of class warfare in the America today.
Listen to this interview (June 6, 2011)

MP3: Nathan Schneider ( has been reporting on the OWS movement from its first days in August, 2011. In this April 3, 2012 interview, Richard Hill asks him to assess the on-going debate in the movement between those espousing a strict adherence to non-violence principles and practices and those advocating a 'diversity of tactics', Interview conducted by Richard Hill, WPKN

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Legalization, An Alternative to the Costly, Failed U.S. War on Drugs

Posted Feb. 2, 2011

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Interview with Terry Nelson, a retired U.S. Customs and Border Patrol agent, conducted by Melinda Tuhus

drug In October 2009, the U.S. Border Patrol fired employee Bryan Gonzalez just before his two-year probationary period was up. He was terminated for the personal opinions he expressed several months earlier to a fellow officer. Gonzalez told his co-worker that the best way to reduce drug-related violence on the U.S.-Mexico border was by legalizing drugs. He also stated that as a Mexican-American, he understood why many Mexicans felt they had no choice but to try to enter the U.S. without documents in search of jobs. On Jan. 20 of this year, the American Civil Liberties Union of New Mexico filed a lawsuit against the Border Patrol for firing Gonzalez on the basis of his personal beliefs expressed in a casual conversation, rather than his job performance.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition or LEAP, is supporting Gonzalez. The group is made up of 30,000 -- mostly retired -- police, judges, prosecutors and others who believe the drug war the U.S. has been waging for the past 40 years is an expensive failure -- and that legalizing and taxing drugs would reduce violence.

Between The Lines' Melinda Tuhus spoke with Terry Nelson, a retired U.S. Customs and Border Patrol agent who spent 30 years fighting the drug war on the Mexican border, throughout Central America and parts of South America. He discusses the cost of the drug war in terms of lives ruined and tax dollars expended while offering an alternative vision for reform.

TERRY NELSON: For example, we spent a little over $7 billion on Plan Colombia to eradicate the coca crop. At the end of the program, the vice president of Colombia announced that coca production was up 27 percent, so instead of lowering production, it actually raised it. And to add on that point, it doesn't really matter. So we get about 16 to 17 percent of the narcotics being shipped to us; we interdict that amount, the rest of it gets through. So let's say, for example, we got 50 percent of the narcotics coming through; all that would do is drive up the price on the remaining 50 percent and increase the violence, because the trade routes would be more lucrative. It's a hamster wheel; you can't get off that way.

So LEAP's position is that we need to trade our total strategy from one of interdiction and prohibition of the narcotics to legalization, whereas you have a chance to regulate and control the distribution of manufacture and who can buy it, who can sell it, and you take the criminal drug gangs and cartels out of the matrix. Now, we acknowledge that this doesn't fix our drug problem; this fixes the crime and violence problem and the 30,000 lives that have been lost in Mexico in the last 3.5 years. We do away with most of the violence; not all of it, but probably 80 percent of the violence we'll do away with.

It doesn't do anything for our drug problem, because it's a separate problem. Our drug problem is a social problem and a medical problem, best dealt with through education, and when you fall through the cracks and become addicted or you start abusing certain drugs, you need medical care to cure yourself of it. Putting a person in prison doesn't cure their addiction; it just postpones it 'til they get out, plus it also puts him in contact with true criminals that are in there for violent reasons. So we think it's a hamster wheel and the best way would be to change the whole approach: legalize it, regulate and control it, educate, and treat. And the places that have done it, i.e., Portugal just released a ten-year study where they decriminalized all drugs -- they didn't legalize them because of United Nations treaties that we have with the whole world -- but they have half the drug use in Portugal that surrounding countries in Europe do and half what we have in the U.S.

Ironically, the countries with the harshest penalties -- Britain and America -- have the highest drug use. So you see what we're basing our argument on. It would be more humane -- certainly more humane, because we put 2.2 million people in prison each year, and 1.8 million of those are non-violent drug offenders, of whom 800,000 are marijuana possession alone. And the government has no issue prosecuting you, convicting you and then sending you to a treatment center. Let's just do away with that conviction, because you can get over an addiction, you can never get over a conviction. It follows you the rest of your life. If you don't give them this felony sentence, you can treat 'em and make them well and they can go out and start paying taxes on a higher salary and they're no longer a drain on society, they then become a plus to society.

BETWEEN THE LINES: Just about every state and the federal government are facing huge budget holes. Even if we didn't legalize and therefore tax drugs, just ending the mass incarceration of non-violent drug offenders would save billions of dollars. Do you think the budget crisis will help your cause?

TERRY NELSON: Well, we've always believed there'd be a watershed event that really pushed our movement forward very rapidly, and collapse of the economy is one of them. But we spend about $70 billion a year prosecuting the drug war -- the people put in jail, the $30,000 a year to keep a person in jail, the court costs, the police costs, the overtime costs, all this stuff. So that's about $70 billion a year. And, the Harvard economics professor Jeffrey Miron, guestimated we could make probably $17 billion to $20 billion in tax revenue by taxing it. But the social savings alone would be phenomenal. I would recommend, if you tax it, using the revenue to treat those falling through the cracks. Of course, you know how that would work: They'd probably take the revenue and put it in the general fund and buy vehicles for the officials to drive around in.

BETWEEN THE LINES: Terry Nelson, there's a debate in some circles between those who support decriminalization but not legalization. Why does LEAP support legalization, which I guess is the most extreme of these options?

TERRY NELSON: Because decriminalization doesn't fix the core problem, which is the drug cartels and criminal street gangs that control the distribution. They're the violent ones, not the users. So decriminalizing, all you do is, you do help the lower end here, but you don't fix the problem. We're not for Band-aids, and we've got to think outside of America. It's not just America that has this; it's a global problem. In America, we have a very low death rate compared to other parts of the world; we have like 9 per 100,000 and Jamaica has 38, 39 per 100,000. We're very fortunate it hasn't hit us...and remember, 30,000 people have been killed in Mexico in the last 3.5 years, since Plan Merida went into effect. This is not just an American problem; this is a global problem. LEAP has members in 90 different countries in the world, by the way. So we have people on the streets telling us what's going on there. We understand the global effects of this drug war. So, for example, even if we could manage to control the intake here in America to some extent, it would just push it up in other parts of the world, so you haven't fixed the problem, you've put a Band-aid on this area, and believe me, once they start tightening down over there, the balloon effect will come into effect, and usage will come back here once you gear down a little bit. So you need to fix the problem.

Contact LEAP, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, by calling their Massachusetts office at (781) 393-6985 or visit their website at